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Back in the day before I became a programmer with cynical outlook on live I used to be game designer and was actually involved when we changed the functionality of damage controls. This was back in the day when TomB and Hammerhead were mostly doing the balancing and I was their intern math *****.

Now we decided that we'd want the damage control to be a really powerful defensive module but we didn't want people to just fill up their lows with it making all other defensive mods obsolete so we also decided that you could only fit one at a time. At that point we didn't really have the luxury of programming time and we did not have any tools to create a module where only one could be fitted. We did however have a functionality where we could only activate x module at a time so we decided that the damage control would have to be activated but have really low cap need.

So there you have it, the reason dc's use cap in an overly long story

Yeah but the dc being active adds only good things to the game.

If the module was meant to be passive, it'd be passive. But it's not.

Why? Passive DC makes literally no sense.

it is far better that the DC is active rather than passive for a vast number of reasons, its an immensely powerful defensive module and being required to actually turn it on is a tiny price to pay

And yet your sole reason for making them passive is because you either can't remember or are too lazy to turn it off (along with any other modules you may be running) before you log off.

Really?!?

the fact that it boosts resistances across the board, for instance

I read them, so did everyone else. "Most" of your reasons could be applied equally well to most active defensive modules in the game.

Look we are trying to be polite here (for a change) but this is more than a little ridiculous ... not to mention trivial.

I think it works perfectly well just as it is.

I think the simplist solution is simply to start remembering to turn it off when you plan to log off, instead of trying to make the game compensate for your forgetfulness.

Don't log off in space?

If you're in wh space, this is far from the biggest difficulty in your life.

then don't activate it until it's necessary?

You should have to take "some" steps to make your ship ready for a battle. Considering how important the module is to your ships survivability I would say it is a prime example of a module that SHOULD need to be activated.

Or turn it into a new skill for passive effectiveness Like passive ability of inactive shield hardeners.
Its Hull ability can be passive and starts out at 15% effectiveness at level 1 to 75% effective hull passive at lvl5
Keep its extra shield and armor resistance as active only.

Your issue is you DC
Your solution is you want your tank to remain on

Can I have this problem solved as well

My guns run out of ammo
My solution is to allow me to keep firing without ammo

Thanks!

I now want laser / Photon Torpedos!!

So, active hardeners, eccm, sensor boosters, tracking computers, these should all be passive as well then?

wtf you on?
you know it takes 60-120 seconds to disappear after logging off regardless of what you have or dont have turned on right?
and that's not counting any timers you may have.

Not really. ECCM, hardeners, sebos, TCs and the like all match those reasons for why you want DCs to be passive: they're an annoyance to turn on every time; it's not like there's a good reason to have them off. So why should they stay active and not DCs?

No. They all have penalties, limitations, and requirements that make up for their passive status. So really, the question should rather be: if the DC was made passive, how do you propose to nerf it to make up for this improvement?

The entire game has been repeatedly rebalanced since "what it was supposed to be" was envisioned. Including a 100% hp buff unless i am mistaken (idk when your quote is from exactly)

As luck would have it, it's already properly active GÇö no change needed.

If you can not take the effort to push a simple key then you lazy as hell.


Yes the DCU is kind of annoying when you are trying to "Safe Logoff" but personally if you are THAT PARANOID you have to safe log off then you can wait 60 seconds so your **** can stay in 1 piece then being blown up

to clarify btw

When you safe log off this will happen

1. A 30 Second Timer will show up, your ship will not move during this time.
2. Once this timer reaches 0 , your client will disconnect.
3. Your ship will THEN INITIATE EMERGENCY WARP (If anything was stopping you from warping you would not be able to safe log off)
4. After your ship EXITS EMERGENCY WARP it will disappear immediately

When you log off normally

1. Your Client disconnects Regardless what is happening in the game world ( Modules, PVP Timers , Warp scramblers)
2. Your Ship will attempt to initiate emergency warp if anything stops it , it wont do anything for 15 minutes (Because somthings prolly warp scraming you.)
3. After your ship exits emergency warp it will SIT IN SPACE FOR 30 SECONDS 1 MILLION KM FROM WHERE YOU LOGGED OFF IN A RANDOM DIRECTION, ANYTHING DURING THE 30 SECONDS MEANS YOU CAN BE PROBED THEN KILLED , ROBBED , RAPED and PILLAGED
4. After 30 seconds have passed and someone hasnt probed you down And Attacked you your ship disspears from space =)

if you really cant be bothered to push your DCU Every time you jump a gate, then your prolly to lazy to cloak your ship every time you jump a gate in a viator with 2 billion isk worth of ****

Ok, so what are they?
What's wrong with its current state?
How would changing it improve gameplay?

GǪa problem that doesn't exist to begin with.

GǪexcept that it is indeed a fact. You do not have to push a button every time you sneeze. Not only because the EVE UI isn't sneeze-sensitive, but also because nothing in the game requires you to keep pushing that button.

You need to turn your DC on at one point and one point only: when it's about to get ugly. This is not the same as GÇ£alwaysGÇ¥. Thus, you don't need to push any buttons at every opportunity. You don't have to activate your DC any more often than you do, say, a missile launcher.

Let me point it out for you all:
The pity is most of you have no clue how important a DC is on small ships like FR and DE and most of you have no clue what heated dual small neuts can cause.

Hard Fact is a small heated neut cycles every 5.1s, with 2 shifted neuts that means every 2.55s you will be drained of cap that effectively shuts an active DC down on most FR or DE sooner or later.
Combat in small ships is very often a game of cap. Cap managment in small ships is very important and the decision you make is a do or die because many FR have only cap for about ~1:30min with all mods active, very few have more.

A passive DC is a very bad idea for small ship combat where it matters the most.

GǪexcept that it is indeed a fact. You do not have to push a button every time you sneeze. Not only because the EVE UI isn't sneeze-sensitive, but also because nothing in the game requires you to keep pushing that button.

(And for everyone whining this request is Lazy, Every jump you should have to reset your safety settings, yes, every jump, it's only a couple of clicks, where is the problem, it's not like people are complaining they have to reset them ONCE PER LOGIN currently or anything like that.)

So how is it any different from any other mods? If you are that paranoid surely you have to turn on all your hardeners every jump as well?

...exactly like the DC. If the situation doesn't call for it, it's pointless to turn it on, and complaining about your decision to repeatedly do something that is pointless only provides an argument for not doing those pointless things. Your inability to keep your fingers off the module is not a reason to change that module.

Sure I have. That was one situation. Setting aside for a moment that there is no need to turn the DC on after every jump even in that case, it's still just that: a situation -- one among many. It doesn't change the fact that the DC is situational. If anything, it just further illustrates it.

Try understanding what "situational" means before ignoring facts just because they clash with your opinion.

Just how much combat are you in that you need to turn on your dc "all teh time" cos i want to be there.

any time you are not taking damage .....

How about... when you're not being shot at?

Running it otherwise is like running your car's headlights in broad daylight. Sure, it accomplishes nothing, it doesn't waste battery because it's being recharged by the alternator, but in the end, the situation doesn't call for them to be on. Headlights are situational, appropriate to the situation of night time. Just like DC is appropriate to the situation of combat. It takes nought but a fraction of a second to get it activated when someone starts targeting you, and so you'll have it well and truly running by the time they start shooting.

Unless, of course, you're not paying attention, in which case DC won't save you anyway and you probably deserve to explode.

If you start taking damage before you can get your DC on, then you fail at EVE.

That's your problem, twisting words. You're twisting a lot of words in this thread, and inventing facts. I live in Australia, where we have this thing called the Sun, and when the Sun is up, everyone can see just fine, so headlights aren't necessary, nor are they mandatory. So my analogy is still relevant. Just because your laws are different, doesn't mean they are smart.

Now note what the defining characteristic is of those situations when you should turn it on and what is not. The key factor is exactly that: when entering combat. The key factor is not "every time", or "when jumping" or "uncloaking" or "undocking". The DC is a situational, as are indeed all the modules in EVE.

You mean those things that you can predict and avoid if you don't fail at EVE?

Nope.

Ok, page 10 and I still cannot see the problem.

DC takes too much cap? Activating it is too hard? What's the issue?

...and as luck would have it, no-one is claiming anything of the kind.

It's situational because there are situations where it's useful and situations where it's not.

...aside from the ones you've provided, you mean? Also, you keep ignoring the fact that there is a point to being able to turn it off. You are not the only one with any say in the matter, and there are plenty of reasons for people to want it to turn off.

There are no situations where it is useful not to have it active.

Oh, pretty much all the time.

If it is of no use when turned on, then no, it's not useful to have it turned on. This seems like quite the tautology so I'm not entirely sure why this is such a shocking revelation to you?

No, but turning them off sure does, and since they they're easy enough to ignore until you really need them, it's not like turning them on is a huge chore.

And these things had no negative game play impact being changed, dc being active does.

I don't think you have ever done any frigate combat have you. Neuts turning off dcs are not very rare in any case. With a 30 sec cycle time vs a 5 sec cycle small neut your dc will have a 1 in 6 chance of being deactivated every cycle once your cap is broken, this is quite common (most pvp is cap instable to start with, especially with smaller ships), happen to be up against a blood frig or the new amarr destroyer then it will be almost guaranteed to be turned off if the pilot staggers his reps. Given that often the dc is the only mod that can be turned off, and that doing so massively decreases the targets ehp that is quite a nerf to cap warfare.

You also pointedly ignore things like the buff to cloaked ships, the buff to afk ships, the already ridiculous power of the dc which clearly doesn't need buffed and so on. Thought you were going to add points on your post? Or is that just ones you choose?